Who’s the Culprit? Accessing Finance in Andhra Pradesh

by Justin Oliver : Thursday, November 11, 2010

Fresh Data from IFMR’s Study Reveals a Complex Situation

The crackdown by the Andhra Pradesh state government on microfinance institutions was based on a number of assumptions about what’s happening with microfinance here in India.

[In case you haven’t been following what’s happened over the last month, check out a good overview of what’s happened by David Roodman here, and other analysis by N. Srinivasan, Vineet Rai, Beth Rhyne, and the Wall Street Journal.  A sampling of articles in the Hyderabad press that helped precipitate the backlash is here:
Times of India September 29, 2010, Times of India October 18, 2010, Times of India October 26, 2010, Times of India October 28, 2010]

For those not familiar with Indian microfinance, an important distinction to make is that the controversy now is about one type of microfinance institution in India, which makes up about half of the microfinance market.  These are what I’m calling “MFIs” here – institutions (both for-profit and not) that make loans to groups of five women in “joint-liability groups,” mostly following the original model of the Grameen Bank in Bangladesh.  MFIs give loans directly to these groups of women, but are not allowed to accept deposits.

The other half of the microfinance market in India are “Self-Help Groups,” or SHGs.  This model has been promoted by the Indian government, and involves larger groups of roughly 10-25 women, who save amongst themselves and distribute their pooled savings as credit amongst the group.  Since the late 1980’s, these groups have been increasingly “linked” to commercial banks – meaning the bank gives a loan to the group, the group distributes credit to its members as needed (which is a lot more money than if they only lent out their pooled savings), and the group is responsible for repaying the bank loan, sometimes directly to the bank, sometimes through a separate “SHG promoting institution.”

The ordinance passed by the Andhra Pradesh state government was targeted at the first group of institutions, “MFIs,” and is at least partially (perhaps mostly) intended to stop them from competing with the second group of institutions, SHGs.  It’s only the MFIs that are affected by the current crisis.  Clients in Andhra Pradesh have essentially stopped repaying MFI loans, but SHG loans continue to be repaid for the time being.  It’s worth noting that some of the loudest complaints about MFIs have come from the Andhra Pradesh state agency that oversees and promotes the SHG program.  See here.

More than six months before these problems came up, the Centre for Micro Finance at IFMR Research, with funding from the Banker’s Institute for Rural Development at NABARD, conducted a household survey of 1,920 households in rural Andhra Pradesh to understand their access to and use of financial services.  Led by Doug Johnson and Sushmita Meka, this was a representative survey of the state’s entire rural population, rich and poor, and collected detailed information on household savings and borrowing from SHGs, MFIs, banks, moneylenders, friends and family, and other sources.  What we found is startling, and challenges many of the assumptions people have about microfinance in Andhra Pradesh.

Assumption 1:  The poor in Andhra Pradesh are “over-indebted” because of microfinance institutions pushing loans on them that they don’t need.

Debt is indeed prevalent in rural Andhra Pradesh.  An estimated 93% of all households have some sort of loan outstanding.  But only an estimated 11% of rural Andhra households had a loan outstanding from an MFI.  In contrast, 37% of rural households had a loan outstanding from commercial bank, 53% from an SHG, and a staggering 82% had a loan outstanding from an informal source, including friends, moneylenders, landlords, and others.

Overall indebtedness amounts are driven by informal loans and bank loans.  For people with loans outstanding, median outstanding amounts are Rs. 35,000 ($778) for informal loans and Rs. 20,000 ($444) for banks, but only Rs. 8130 ($181) for MFIs and Rs. 4600 ($102) for SHGs.

 

Major Source

Sub-source

Estimated share of households with loan from source based on Access to Finance Survey

Median amount outstanding for those with loans (unweighted)

Banks

 

 

 

 

Private

0.5%

 

 

Public

19.6%

 

 

Regional Rural Bank

8.6%

 

 

Cooperative

9.6%

 

 

All formal sources

37.5%

Rs. 20,000

SHG

 

53.5%

Rs. 4600

MFI

 

11.4%

Rs. 8130

Informal

 

 

 

 

Moneylender

17.2%

 

 

friends (with interest)

57.3%

 

 

friends (no interest)

9.3%

 

 

Employer

3.4%

 

 

Landlord

20.6%

 

 

unknown sub-source

1.4%

 

 

All informal sources

82.4%

Rs. 35,000

Any loan source

 

93.1%

 


Assumption 2:  People frequently take loans from multiple MFIs, sometimes using one loan to pay off others.

“Multiple borrowing” is rampant.  Eighty-four percent of households had at least two loans outstanding, and one household we spoke with had 19 loans.  But the vast majority of these loans are informal.  Of course, even if we ignore informal sources, multiple borrowing is still pretty common.  But it’s not limited to people who lend from MFIs.  Multiple borrowing from banks and SHGs is pretty common too.

  • 17% of households with an SHG loan outstanding had multiple SHG loans outstanding, and 58% had at least one more loan from a formal source.
  • 26% of households with a bank loan outstanding had multiple bank loans outstanding, and 74% had at least one more loan from a formal source.
  • 28% of households with an MFI loan outstanding had multiple MFI loans outstanding, and 82% had at least one more loan from a formal source.

We also find evidence that people who take multiple loans frequently take them out at the same time and for the same purpose, rather than staggering them as you would if you were using one to pay off the other.  This bundling of several loans suggests that many people just find it difficult to get all of the credit they need from one place.

Of course, just asking people whether they use new loans to pay off old loans may be a simpler way to answer this.  And of course they do.  Twenty-five percent of MFI loans are used, at least in part, to pay off other debts.  But so are 20% of SHG loans, and 15% of bank loans, though only 7% of informal loans.

Usage of Loan Money by Type of Lender

 

Bank

MFI

SHG

Informal

Start new business

2.0%

2.5%

1.9%

1.1%

Buy agricultural inputs

57.5%

13.2%

19.3%

19.9%

Purchase stock

3.0%

9.9%

4.2%

2.7%

Buy livestock

2.7%

6.0%

5.6%

1.7%

Purchase land

0.8%

0.9%

0.7%

0.6%

Home improvement

9.7%

22.1%

13.0%

14.2%

Repay old debt

14.6%

25.4%

20.4%

7.0%

Health

11.4%

10.9%

18.6%

25.3%

Education

4.1%

4.4%

5.7%

5.3%

Marriage

4.3%

4.8%

2.2%

12.2%

Funeral

0.1%

0.2%

0.5%

1.7%

Other festival

0.6%

3.5%

3.6%

4.8%

Unemployment

0.0%

0.0%

0.1%

0.8%

Purchase jewellery

0.5%

0.6%

1.6%

0.4%

Other consumption

26.5%

31.6%

49.9%

24.9%


Assumption 3:  MFIs are specifically targeting existing Self-Help-Group members with loans.

Well…maybe.  Seven percent of households have both an SHG loan and an MFI loan outstanding.  And having an SHG loan makes a household 6% more likely to also get a loan from an MFI compared to households who don’t have SHG loans.  Clearly there is some targeting of the same population, but not a lot.

These results call into question the common impression that rural households in Andhra Pradesh are saturated by private MFI lending.  If anything, the survey shows that there may still be considerable room for expansion in the state given the high levels of borrowing from informal sources.

The point isn’t that Indian MFIs don’t need a greater degree of regulation – by their very success, Indian MFIs have achieved a level of importance that would warrant more careful and dedicated scrutiny by the appropriate regulatory authority (which is almost certainly not the state government).  But ill-conceived measures based on knee-jerk reactions which don’t take into account the needs of microfinance customers will only end up hurting the poor in the end.

–Justin Oliver

This post kicks off a special blog series on the microfinance crisis in Andhra Pradesh, India. Over the coming weeks we’ll be featuring a variety of voices on the issues raised by this crisis and what it means for the future direction of microfinance. We welcome your participation in this discussion through comments.

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  1. November 12th, 2010 at 4:53 am, Bhaumik Shah ()

    The entire trauma on AP Microfinance started after suicide of 50+ farmers in the state. But without understanding the real cause of suicide, all blame is poured in MFI’s bottle.

    I remember somewhere in 2005 also AP had high level of farmer’s suicide. At that time money lenders were blamed and banks were asked to written off loans. Now perhaps MFIs are the new target.

    Logically thinking – MFI loan officers are not hardcore police officers, who torture clients to an extent of leading them to suicide! They might have verbally pressurized them to repay loan, but due to this act around 50+ farmers do suicide is an illogical argument!

    Any person needs capital of 30K-40K Rs to start a business or even expanding the existing one. MFIs provide only 10K-15K (atleast in the first cycle). This leads poor to go for multi lending.

    Any institution would like to leverage on existing set model. And that is what MFIs are doing by leveraging on SHG model. MFI (JLG) loans are costlier than SHG loan. Then why would a SHG customer go for MFI loan? Obviously there is a strong need of more credit.

  • November 12th, 2010 at 10:01 am, Normand Arsenault ()

    What do you think of putting ASSUMPTION 4: The microfinance institutions in Andhra Pradesh do not have adequate business systems to monitor and control loans properly?
    We sometimes forget that operation risk is associated with information management systems. Taking and managing risk is fundamental to the business of any financial institution, even the ones serving the poor.
    My assumption is that the microfinance institutions in Andhra Pradesh have poor information systems that do not allow them to maintain adequate systems of internal controls to safeguard the institutions’ assets that are loans.
    Any financial institution should have in place comprehensive procedures and information systems to effectively monitor and control credit risk. These procedures should incorporate prudent criteria for identifying and reporting existing and potential problem accounts,ensuring that such accounts are sufficiently reviewed, adequately monitored and the relevant corrective action
    taken promptly. Such procedures should consider the specificities of microfinance risks: i.e. size and complexity of microfinance operations, decentralised microcredit methodology relying heavily on loan officers, short-term nature and contagion effects of microloans.
    The feasibility and effectiveness of the various requirements of credit risk management depend, in large measure, on the adequacy of management information systems. Anyone with poor tools look bad.

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  • November 12th, 2010 at 10:30 pm, Reddy ()

    This is sad part. I have a situation, where a police offer came to arrest an 80 year old woman for harassing a 21 year old to repay the loan.
    The woman in her early eighties gave a loan to this guy based on human values, empathy, sympathy and to help him come out of troubles.
    The woman has to go police station with difficulty and present herself.
    This is the kind of pathetic situation politicians create. The same police cannot help this woman get her payment back. Indian Judicial system is full of occupation and crap.

    The AP govt gave an order, they can arrest someone for asking to repay the loan.

    Some section of people in India are completely screwed up. These crazy things happen.

  • November 13th, 2010 at 2:01 am, SP Narayanan ()

    Mr Oliver,

    I read your post with interest and I am attaching a series of Blog Articles for the Readers on the AP Crisis

    They provide an alternate view to what you have said and It is healthy to have different perspectives…for the (informed and objective) benefit of the readers

    Best

    SP Narayanan

    1. Indian Micro-Finance: Time for RBI to Get the (Legal) Framework Right!
    http://microfinance-in-india.blogspot.com/2010/11/indian-micro-finance-time-for-rbi-to_02.html

    2. The Andhra Pradesh Micro-Finance Crisis: Time to Clean the Stables and Start Afresh
    http://microfinance-in-india.blogspot.com/2010/11/andhra-pradesh-micro-finance-crisis.html

    3. Zero PAR Policy in Some[1] Indian MFIs: Satyagraha, Staff Pressure and Other Methods
    http://microfinance-in-india.blogspot.com/2010/11/zero-par-policy-in-some1-indian-mfis.html

    4. Multiple Loans to Shared JLGs/Clients by MFIs: How Widespread is this Phenomenon, Why Has it Happened and Is it the Major Cause of the Present AP Crisis?
    http://microfinance-in-india.blogspot.com/2010/11/multiple-loans-to-shared-jlgsclients-by.html

    5. Understanding The State of Management Information Systems (MIS) in Indian MFIs: Critical Issues For The RBI Board Sub-Committee
    http://microfinance-in-india.blogspot.com/2010/11/understanding-state-of-management.html

    6. Sa-Dhan Members (Re) Adopt The Code of Conduct in Andhra Pradesh: A Positive Step but what is the Guarantee for Implementation this time around?
    http://microfinance-in-india.blogspot.com/2010/11/sa-dhan-members-re-adopt-code-of.html

    7. Tackling the Indian Micro-Finance Crisis: Some Practical Short and Long Term Measures that RBI Could Look At Implementing
    http://microfinance-in-india.blogspot.com/2010/11/tackling-indian-micro-finance-crisis.html

    8. It is about time that MFIN starts and delivers on the Promised Self-Cleansing!
    http://microfinance-in-india.blogspot.com/2010/10/it-is-about-time-that-mfin-starts-and_9513.html

    9. Has Burgeoning Growth Caused Increasing Frauds in Indian Micro-Finance: Do the Regulators and The RBI Sub-Committee Need to Carefully Examine this Relationship?
    http://microfinance-in-india.blogspot.com/2010/11/has-burgeoning-growth-caused-increasing.html

    10. It is Easy to Confess Today but Why Did MFIs Engage in Such (Over) Lending in the First Place?
    http://microfinance-in-india.blogspot.com/2010/11/it-is-easy-to-confess-today-but-why-did.html

  • November 13th, 2010 at 2:35 am, Ramesh S Arunachalam ()

    Dear All

    The blog article is interesting and thanks for this. The study has the following names attached to it: CMF – BIRD and even, NABARD. It surely would be interesting to know when was it exactly done (I think it says some 6 months before the crisis)? What is NABARD’s stake in this study and under what ToR was this study done, who commissioned it and where in AP? That would be useful to know

    I would also like to state that my data base with video clips of the records (diff MFI books with clients) suggests between 7 to 8 loans and often 5 to 6 MFI loans (with meetings on successive days). I will be putting this in the public domain in the days to come…and my humble request to RBI is to get an independent study done by Industry outsiders and preferably under close supervision of the RBI. That alone can give us a clear, objective and candid perspective on the multiple loan issue in AP.

    I briefly report the case of Zahera Bee who committed suicide on 13/09/2010. Her husband says that she was unable to make the repayments for the various loans she had taken. This case is not even reported in the SERP database and there are many such cases, with documentation and clips and I am happy to show that to you if you come to Chennai and want to see it. I did not want to put it up in You Tube as it may be misused and even hurt the industry significantly

    According to the family (on record), Zaheera Bee had at least the following 8 loans and there could have been more:

    Name of MFI - Loan Amount - Day of Week

    1) SKS (Pedda loan) 20000 Monday
    2) SKS (Chinna loan) 14000 Monday
    3) Share 40000 Wednesday
    4) Spandana 30000 Tuesday
    5) Hope 18000 Thursday
    6) Asmitha 20000 Saturday
    7) Basix 18000 or so Monthly
    8) Sriram not known Monthly

    Total Loans are Rs 160000 and there could be more and the family was not sure as Zaheera Bee had died

    Now, the family claims that Zahera’s weekly payments was in excess of Rs 2950 (Rs 3240 to be exact as determined from the records) and her total family earnings was just Rs 2700 – 2800

    The stated weekly income for the family according to the father and son is as follows: Nabee Saheb (Head of the family tailor) 900-1000 and Not stable; Zaheera bee (the deceased, who did odd jobs and labor) 600 and not stable; and Khaza (20), the Eldest Son, Painter and Rs 1200 regular. The weekly earnings were Rs 2700 – Rs 2800.

    According to the family, besides the weekly deficit of Rs 390 (as determined from records), there were monthly payments of Rs 1200 and Rs 1750 to be made to 2 MFIs and this is in deficit also – making a total loan deficit of Rs 4510 per month (Rs 1560 + Rs 1200 + RS 1750). This apart, there are living and eating expenses for five people at home – their food , clothing, health , two children education and other consumption needs

    This seems to be clearly a NO WIN situation and I have the father and son, on record saying that they are being hounded day after day for repayment and they are also contemplating suicide. Very sad, if it happens

    The first question I have for the MFIs is how did they lend so much money, one after the another to the lady, whose family did not have commensurate sources of earning? How did they expect her to pay back? How did they find her credit worthy? How did she actually pay back, given her family’s fragile livelihood? For what purposes they gave the loan? and several other questions

    I am beginning to learn several things from this:

    a) The same JLG meets on successive days and gets loans from different MFIs – who (as Mr Ramakrishna said in his MFP posting), “sanction left, right and centre”(quoted)
    b) Successive loans may be used by the client to make repayments – the sequencing of the clients is very interesting as I have found out
    c) There comes a point when the client cannot get any more credit from anywhere (including money lenders) and given her dismal livelihood situation and also the fact that she/he is upto the brim with regard to debts, she becomes desperate and sees no way out. That is perhaps why Zahera Bee committed suicide (The MFIs have contributed to indebtedness and Zaheera’s inability to deal with that (indebtedness) may have caused this end result – this however needs to be determined by an objective and scientific study and I am prepared to wait until that)
    d) A lot of the loans are not invested in any manner so as to provide some return – they are used mainly for consumption and repaying other loans

    The question of weak livelihoods necessitates various interventions (including loans) and the question here is how could so many LEADING MFIs lend to one client, without any basis and rationale? And almost 46 of the SERP cases are multiple loans and there are many that have not been spotted by SERP

    There is a very interesting APMAS study from Nellore also (relevant to the topics of your post) and I will post that as well later.

    Let us be clear – RBI needs to intervene and I fully endorse that – but hard evidence that exists also shows deep malaise with the industry including multiple lending, increasing frauds, serious corporate governance violations and the like.

    So, RBI would need to act objectively and in fair manner – protecting and putting clients FIRST and that would go a long way in saving the industry than pushing things beneath the carpet. I am sure we all agree on that and please read my blog where I have been requesting RBI to take over Micro-Finance in India completely and bring it under its own umbrella by virtue of being the prime financial services regulator in India.

    Thanks

    Warm Regards

    Ramesh

  • November 13th, 2010 at 11:36 am, V.Rengarajan ()

    Dear Oliver,
    I would like to share some of my views on your post
    In the first, on conceptual crisis – There is a need to clarify the term MF and MFI . MF is a package of pro poor services like micro savings, micro insurance, transfer services etc besides micro credit for ultimate purpose of poverty reduction. .Those institution/s which provide collectively this package with a social mission deserve to be called MFI but in Indian context there is none doing this package despite presence of multi agency approach providing a piece meal MF services with either one or two inputs which may not be adequate for the said mission or vision under MF. However for making distinction among the different MF service providers , it is sensible to call like Micro credit institutions (MCI) or micro lending companies or firm or micro lenders) for Micro credit ( as invariably used in ‘Wall street Journal analysis’- not as MFI), Micro savings institution(MSI) , Micro insurance institutions (MII) and so on .Other wise if all theses institutions, providing a piecemeal MF services, are commonly (blindly)addressed as MFI, it leads to ambiguity and misguidance both to the practitioners, regulators and the academic researchers as well . One example: who is the real target group ( culprit ) for the AP ordinance as the term MFI is invariably used in it? According to NABARD task force on supportive policy and regulatory frame work for micro finance report (1999 page 23) besides commercial banks, RRBs, Cooperatives banks, NABARD, SIDBI and RMK could be considered as an apex MF service providers institutions.. In such case does the ordinance cover these institutions also? ( see more in this regard – Srinivasan’s note in MF focus news and my response ) The research institution like IFMR/CMF may also focus more deeply on the MF at conceptual level for better appreciation and practice at all levels since the present term MF and MFI and the usage with the given ambiguity, has become orthodoxy and sanctified. without any rational rethinking
    Second, it is unfortunate to note the unethical competition among the micro credit /micro money lenders ( although inappropriate and inadequate product for the goal) in general and intra group lenders ( JLG/SHG as referred ) in particular. Here a point merits researchers’ attention that is JLG is a nascent one while SHG remains a predominant form of micro financing system in the recent pat in India .Does it therefore represent half in MF market in India/AP? as quoted. Further does all the group members can be equally compared with SHG members in their socio economic status?
    Third, the household survey is useful and timely for the analyzing these assumptions of the people on MF. However while the information has been collected covering both the rich and the poor as quoted. on type of source and usage of micro loan (not micro finance )it would have been more useful to analyze more deeply on the assumptions if the information is presented respondents’ profile status wise (rich and poor)
    Fourth, regarding data on outstanding(o/s) loan among different financial institutions a caution is required in the usage/interpretation of o/s data since outstanding includes principal loan amount plus interest and others like panel interest if any and it indicates the level of dues of the client at a point of time.. As and when the recovery ( coercive or non coercive means- govt.debt relief scheme for formal institution) is made, this level reduces and would increase in the case of no recovery . So to say this outstanding data will not indicate the actual loan size for the given source of finance for any meaningful analysis

  • November 13th, 2010 at 11:50 am, V.Rengarajan ()

    Regret for the ommison of second page of my previous posting and the same is posted now
    Fifth, while the study focuses on access of finance in SHG-MF system in AP, it would have also been more useful to know how many poor who gained financial access, have been dropped out or pushed out in the group ? Why? Srinivasan’s report on MF status in India indicates “Incidence of members’ drop out was reported by 43% of the SHG .The drop out rate was 8.2% of members” The reasons for this drop out may also reflect the nature of recovery practices adopted leading to the said crisis and need for ordinance.
    Last, the terms ‘needs of MF customers’ (micro credit customers) and implication of actions on the poor are debatable one. The level of saturation for ‘institutional’ micro credit should depend on capability of the poor borrowers and credit absorbability in the given physical capital of the area for income generation and not on level of informal sources of finance available . “The hurting the Poor” – is it because of the ‘ ill-conceived measures based on knee jerk reactions’ or multiplicity of supply of loans to the same poor clients either by single agency or multiple agency ? While the financial ‘needs’ of the poor are diversified such as micro savings, micro insurance, transfer services ( particularly for migrant poor) for influencing their poverty status, can the so called ‘MFI ‘ with money lending activities providing ‘one size fits for all’ product meet the matching ‘needs’ of the poor.?
    Rengarajan

  • November 13th, 2010 at 8:06 pm, Amrit Patel ()

    While MFIs must do proper home work to develop a system, pilot test it and redesign it and then implement it. Again it is an evolving system & not a one time go, it is too costly to lift poor out of poverty. Investment in several areas is called for and Government has a duty to share the expenses in this regard. Cancer kills a human being whereas money received from informal moneylenders kills generations after generations. Financial & bankable viability will not serve the purpose unless enabling environment is created by the Government for sustainable development of rural poor & rural economy. Most poor have labor as their assets. How this human labor [0.1 horse power] can profitably utilized to generate income sufficient to meet all costs of borrowings and reasonable amount available for eking a living is a million dolar question. Dr Amrit Patel, USA

  • November 14th, 2010 at 1:24 am, Ramesh S Arunachalam ()

    DEar All

    Here is an extract from a recent study done by APMAS study in Nellore district

    Thanks

    Warm Regards

    Ramesh

    Borrowing
    · Out of 54 sample SHGs 29 SHGs borrowed from MFIs i.e. 53.7% SHGs.
    · In the 29 groups 65% of members have taken loan from MFIs.
    · One interesting point to be noted is that all the SHGs, which availed loans from MFIs are default SHGs in SHG bank linkages.

    Existence of MFIs in the district:

    § Based on the interaction with the sample SHGs, it was found that four Private MFIs are lending loans to the SHGs. They are SPANDANA, SHARE, ASHMITHA, SWAYAMKRUSHI

    Comments on the Extent of borrowings

    § 29 SHGs has borrowed loans from MFIs out of 54 SHGs.

    § From 29 SHGs, 172 members has taken MFI loans

    § Each member has taken Rs.10,000 to Rs.80,000 from MFIs. The number of members taking more than Rs 25000 is greater than 1/3 of sample (or approx 65 members)

    Cost of loans-interest rates/other charges.

    · Interest rate charged by different MFIs vary from 24% to 48% per annum.

    · Processing Charges and insurance coverage is 4% to 5%, i.e., 400 to 500 per Rs.10000/- Loan.

    Monthly/weekly payments.

    · All the MFIs have weekly repayments in the case of first dose of lending.

    · The MFIs are also encouraging additional loans or midterm loans to the members who repay earlier loans regularly.

    · The repayment period for additional loans is typically monthly.

    Sources of funds and how weekly payments are honoured.

    · Husband, wife and old-age persons are also going for labour work

    · In some instances, to repay the MFIs loan instalment, the borrowers had mortgaged their valuable things with the pawn brokers

    · Some SHG members are also taking loans from others MFIs to repay the loan to present MFI.

    · Some SHG members are also reducing their food intake to repay the MFI loan installments. E.g. some members said that they stopped taking vegetable and mutton, to save money to repay mFIs.

    · Two women members said that their husbands stopped liquor consumption to repay the loans form MFIs.

  • November 14th, 2010 at 7:20 am, Patrick O' Brian ()

    This article raises some interesting questions. However- pardon me if this is a naive question- I could not understand one point. Mr Oliver suggests:

    “this [the cmf study] was a representative survey of the state’s entire rural population, rich and poor, and collected detailed information on household savings and borrowing from SHGs, MFIs, banks, moneylenders, friends and family, and other sources.”

    Suppose I am household A and I have 2 loans outstanding with a formal source, 1 with a SHG and 1 with a MFI, how is that being captured in the study? From the description above it seems that CMF collected different data sets from SHGs, MFIs, banks etc..NOT the household itself. How were they able to correlate the different data to construct an individual household profile?

    My guess is that the data sets from each of these sources contained details of the INDIVIDUALS other loans. But then again, would this provide a picture of a HOUSEHOLDS overall indebtedness? For example, multiple family members could have multiple loans from different sources; the husband could take out a loan from a formal source, while the wife could be participating in a SHG or a JLG.

    Would be grateful if someone could clarify.

  • November 14th, 2010 at 3:34 pm, Rajan Alexander ()

    For Micro-Finance survival, they need to muzzle their Spin Doctors and listen more to their High Priest

    A string of suicides in Andhra Pradesh that put micro-finance under the spotlight, triggered a backlash because of which, MFIs found themselves reduced to fighting for their basic survival. No surprise here to find a variety of spin-doctors functioning as their apologists, fending off and neutralising any criticism that the industry faces currently, almost oblivion to the fact their support is to a slow sinking Titanic. Two of the most significant spins in this debate are those related to suicides and interest rate. In this post, we bust these spins.

    “I believe in Schumpeterian creative destruction. Its time has come. The present MFI model has to go…. It wasn’t just about giving loans. It was also about creating livelihood mechanisms, which would build capacity among the poor to repay their loans easily, and leave them better off than before”

    This is Economic Times quoting Vijay Mahajan, considered the high priest of Indian microfinance suggesting that either MFIs change their business models or go bust.

    Read more: http://devconsultgroup.blogspot.com/2010/11/for-micro-finance-survival-they-need-to.html

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  • November 15th, 2010 at 10:50 am, Rakib ()

    The assumptions made on the same traditional mind setup, The poor in Andhra Pradesh or somewhere are seems to “over-indebted” , micro finance institutions never in my experience pushing loans on them which they don’t need, things are only settle, when they are willing to take a loan, and its poor peoples capacity to take loan from more than one MFI, its we we need to acknowledge” capacity to use and pay loan” what are termed as overlapping, if one cannot satisfy your demand you must go for others, but if we look at the formal banking it a common phenomenon. Third assumptions, I reply in a way of making sense of commercialization, its depends on quality, quantity and quicker service delivery.

  • November 15th, 2010 at 1:37 pm, Justin Oliver ()

    Bhaumik, I’ve also been suspicious of the links made in the media between microfinance institutions and suicides. In 2008, there were 14,354 suicides in Andhra Pradesh – over 39 per day. And farmer suicides in 2008 were less than half what they were in 2004. Given the high penetration of all types of financial institutions, a lot of people would have certainly had loans – not only from MFI’s, but also SHG’s, banks, and of course informal sources. Certainly if even one person has committed suicide directly because of the actions of MFI’s, it’s a shame for the industry. It’s worth understanding this much better though.

    Normand, I suspect you’re right that MFI’s could seriously improve their information systems, at least in order to have a much more clear understanding of what’s happening on the ground and who their clients are. Most MFI’s I’m familiar with find it challenging just to track a single individual’s credit history with them over time, if for example, they skip a loan cycle. There seems to be low value placed on having excellent information, and this is unfortunate.

    Narayanan, thanks for the links to Ramesh’s blog. Ramesh, the study was funded through NABARD’s Banker’s Institute for Rural Development, and is a representative sample of rural AP, from 8 randomly selected districts. It’s important to note that it’s not that we find that there’s little or no MFI multiple borrowing – we do. But we also find multiple borrowing from SHG’s and banks, and no one’s really complaining about that. I suspect that certain localities (like Kolar) are very prone to having multiple MFI’s targeting the same population, but these spots with many many people having 5+ loans are rare.

    Rengarajan, thank you for your extensive comments. I certainly agree that the poor need a much wider variety of financial services, encompassing not only credit, but a safe place to save money, means to manage risk through insurance, and a good way to transfer money over distances. I also agree that we need to understand “drop-outs” better – both in SHG’s and MFI’s.

    Patrick, the survey was done amongst households – we asked households to first list all of the various loans they have, then we asked details on each loan.

    Thanks to others for your comments as well!

    We’ve been slow to put up a link to this report, but it’s coming soon. I’ll let you know when it’s up.

    Justin

  • November 17th, 2010 at 5:23 am, Aaron Huber ()

    I was very concerned to read about the crisis in micro finance currently going on in India. As someone who is financially literate – the view in the west is that micro finance is a problem free financial solution to some of the world’s most poor and undeserved people. I think that a key to making micro finance work is improving over all financial education. Sites like Global Finance School – http://www.globalfinanceschool.com/ have been very popular in both India and the Philippines because they give their students a high level financial education without the hassles and red tape of a traditional university. While Internet connectivity is a hurdle to overcome to bring more people access to classes like these, I believe this is something that will be solved in the next five to ten years.

  • November 17th, 2010 at 10:23 am, Justin Oliver ()

    We have the report now up on the CMF website at http://www.ifmr.ac/cmf. You can link to it from the front page.

  • November 17th, 2010 at 5:17 pm, Sasi ()

    Justin – thanks for posting the results of the study and demystifying some common myths. I am not surprised by the findings but good to have some empirical basis to present. Would have been even more helpful if interest rates (effective cost, hidded and explicit, cost of borrowing) assumption is also addressed. My guess is, MFI rates may not be too high when all the costs involved in borrowing from each other formal source is taken into account. This excellent analysis by IFMR again http://ifmrblog.com/2010/11/10/is-shg-model-better-than-microfinance/ hits right at it.

    One reservation though – it might not be justified to call 1920 households surveyed as representative of the whole state’s population which amounts to roughly 75 million. Also, statewide study, of both rich and poor, would skew the purpose because microfinance clients would fall under a particular profile and taking the whole state as study population the findings may dilute the purpose since it seems NABARD’s intention of funding is to find out financial access issues among it’s target clientele which I imagine would be rural.

    A note to Ramesh: I really did not follow the point you were trying to make from your second posting (APMAS study). You claim in your first posting that an independent agency should conduct such studies to get neutral opinion and you post the results of a study that was conducted by an “interested party” that is set up primarily to support SHGs. I see a lot of bias in the design and outcome. Could we simply reverse the verbatim and say x% of MFIs borrowers also borrowed from SHGs? Banks failed to recover loans from SHGs and in turn denied them new loans resulting in SHG members turning to MFIs (more than one sometimes) to fulfill their credit needs, which are anyways not met by just one source? Moreover, I think many of us seem to confuse ourselves between “multiple lending” and “over-indebtedness” and use the two terms inter-changeably. I think the issue is a more complex one. It doesn’t make any sense to point fingers on one single group, although there are visible excesses in that group and must be checked. Everyone, including the government, is a culprit in this story.

  • November 18th, 2010 at 12:01 pm, Ramesh S Arunachalam ()

    Dear Sasi

    Thanks and the point to show what MFIs have done in AP, according to one perspective. That is all and your points are well taken.

    I am sure you have seen the Zaheera Bee case study sent out today and that was another point of view – clients

    Pleaser come down to Chennai and see what I have and then, I hope that people like you will see what I am arguing for. I have HARD documentation and evidence of Board minutes, documentation and several other happenings at various MFIs that show serious corporate governance violations and frauds being peretuated on the India people

    Thanks

    Best Wishes

    Ramesh

  • November 19th, 2010 at 1:29 am, Ramesh S Arunachalam ()

    Dear All

    The following posts will give the client perspect on AP crisis and also that of other stakeholders

    The Zahera Bhee case study
    http://microfinance-in-india.blogspot.com/2010/11/can-we-bring-back-ayeshas-ammy.html

    The Key to Getting Micro-Finance in India Back on Track Lies with Establishing the Right Incentives for Various Stakeholders…Part I
    http://microfinance-in-india.blogspot.com/2010/11/key-to-getting-micro-finance-in-india.html

    Thanks

    Warm regards

    Ramesh

  • November 19th, 2010 at 4:52 am, CS Reddy ()

    There are some factual errors in the posting of Justin. Having worked in India for a few years, Justin should have got his facts right.

    The first factual error is that the SHGs are promoted by Indian Government. It is not correct. The SHG movement in India was initiated by NGOs like MYRADA, PRADAN, CARE and many other local and international NGOs. Even today a large number of SHGs in India are promoted by NGOs (called as SHPIs)with funding support from NABARD and Government. Several hundreds of NGOs are involved in the SHG promotion. State Governments have adopted the SHG model and have scaled up to reach the millions. Today, the SHGs in Andhra Pradesh have almost USD2.5 billion loan oustanding to banks. This study is funded by NABARD and it has factual errors about the origins of the movement. Hope NABARD is aware of this.

    Factual error 2: As per the published data of Sa-dhan and Govt of AP, there are around 8 million MFI borrowers in AP and over 15 million clients. How can there be only 11% MFI borrowers. As per APMAS study the more than 40% of the SHG members have at least one MFI loan. APMAS conducted a study in 2005-2006. Even at that time the MFI lending to SHG members was higher than 11%.

    Factual error 3: The write up says that the SHG has 10-25 members. In India, the SHGs have <20 members. For any agency to conduct a study or to write about SHGs, a basic understanding is needed.

    It would be useful to know the list of districts selected and also the villages selected. I wonder why only rural households selected. The concentration of MFIs is much higher in urban areas. Urban areas excluded from the sample intentionally.

    Who were the respondents to this study? women or men. If men were the respondents, it is possible that a lower number would report about a loan from MFI as both MFIs and SHGs lend to women. It may be useful if you can share the methodology, sampling and the tools used with us.

    Overall, one gets the impression that the study seem to have done with a purpose to project that multiple lending is not an issue and MFIs are not a problem. Being a research for 20 years, I have questions about the methodology, sampling and data collection. A NABARD funded study can not be used to protect or support MFIs. APMAS would be very keen to have a discussion with CMF on the findings of the study and to further analyse the data.

    CS Reddy
    CEO of APMAS

  • November 19th, 2010 at 10:20 am, Ramesh S Arunachalam ()

    Dear C S

    I fully endorse your statements above and I have serious reservations about the CMF study and I am also planning to write a document critiquing the same and will share it with you, NABARD, Ministry of FInance, RBI and other critical stakeholders and ensure that they call for the data – as it is nabard funded

    Let us get this data properly analysed…

    Thanks again for your clarifications CS – as usual crisp, clear and to the point and also making it factually relevant and correct!

    Warm Regards

    Ramesh

  • November 19th, 2010 at 11:16 am, Ramesh S Arunachalam ()

    Dear Justin

    I am unable to download the paper at the address you gave. says page not found. http://www.ifmr.ac/cmf.

    Thanks for addressing this

    Warm Regards

    Ramesh

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  • November 19th, 2010 at 11:40 am, Rajan Alexander ()

    @CS Reddy

    It is usual for any industry that is the focus of a controversy to churn out “research” to counter criticism. We see this with the cigarette industry with links to lung cancer or mobile telephone industry with links to brain cancer, particularly in children. So I treat this study as one of them.

    So unless the study is undertaken by a neutral institution with a methodology that is both transparent and rigorous, it is better to ignore them.

    I am both a livelihood and M&E professional and I came across one of IMFR’s evaluation study while surfing. Let me quote some extracts from it:

    “While they were presenting the positive core of strengths of the MFI, there was an evident sense of pride in, not just what they had done but also, what their colleagues had done. They were genuinely appreciative of everything they had discussed. The next exercise was something that turned out to be quite a revelation to all of us, including the CEO of the MFI. We asked them to dream ahead and come up with a vision for 2015. One hour and lots of drawings and paintings later, the teams went up to share their dreams. We were expecting the groups to share what the MFI would like in 5 years, but the groups had other plans.

    Their dreams went way beyond the MFI’s growth. They presented plans to make their villages ‘model villages’. In their dreams there was better infrastructure, better facilities in the villages, better pension plans, and better schools. In 5 years, employees would become self-dependent employers, giving employment opportunities to others. And they tied all this neatly back to their MFI saying they would become an integral part of every household in the state, so much so, that even if the children didn’t take care of their parents, the MFI would! Clearly, the MFI employees were on a high after dreaming ahead and visioning what the future would look like. It was evident from their repeated words of appreciation to us for having taken them through this process.”

    “Even if the children didn’t take care of their parents, the MFI would!”

    Ironically the post was titled “Why would an MFI need an Appreciative Inquiry process?” (http://ifmrblog.com/2010/10/05/why-would-an-mfi-need-an-appreciative-inquiry-process/) From the little I read from the blog, my opinion is that this is a gross misuse of evaluation in general and AI in particular.

    If this is the quality of research then we should certainly ignore any other study churned out by IMFR including the one we are discussing. If IMFR play their role they were expected to play, perhaps the MF industry could have avoided plunging into a nadir which they found themselves.

  • November 19th, 2010 at 10:09 pm, V.Rengarajan ()

    Aaron Huber
    For clear appreciation on the concept MF for the Western people and the Global Finance School as referred to , pl see my posting responding to Justine. in this blog. and the earlier posting dated Oct 20, 2010 in CGAP blog responding to “Trickle up graduation pilot film on Test of poverty explaining ‘what is real micro finance?’

    Here what I want reiterate Micro finance is a package of micro financial services such as micro savings, micro insurance , micro credit ,, transfer services .which are all ‘together’ needed with the adequate support of non financial services besides ‘ over all improvement of financial literacy’ to function as a solution. to ‘ the world’s most poor or under served. Literally speaking there is no MFI as such in India for providing all multiple micro financial services to the poor although micro level money lenders majestically claiming themselves as MFI confining to mere micro lending activity without much influencing poverty reduction goal . Further the present crisis in AP is because of unethical handling of micro credit and non adoption of ethically based tenets of Micro finance in the poverty sector. . Here shoe pinches.
    Further, Micro credit ( mere money lending-Shylock trade) ) alone cannot fully or holistically represent Micro finance. and is inadequate also for solving the poverty issues. So to say any finance or micro finance alone in the process of poverty reduction cannot be considered as ‘problem free financial solution’ unless it is well linked with non financial services like capacity building, marketing other physical infrastructure etc It is here ‘financial literacy’ also assumes importance as one of the components of capacity building.. Other wise finance or micro finance, it ‘per se’ represents only coins and notes legally accepted . For converting them into consumable goods in manner to enhance the productivity of the finance for problem free poverty solution , provision of multiple MF services ( not with peace meal one with micro loan) with the effective linkage with forward and backward linkages ( in development finance parlance ) is required
    Hope this conceptual clarity would be useful to the academic institutions in general and research institution in particular.
    C.S Reddy, Ramesh, Rajan –
    I agree with your point on the quality of research study out put on Microfinance from IFMR/CMF.I have also suggested earlier in the posting some areas to focus in MF arena to them. In the context of well defined mission for MF for poverty reduction, microfinance should not be considered as just another type of finance in financial market/capital market . Any research attempt on Micro finance requires multi- disciplinary approach with more social anthropological perspectives and conceptual clarity on the subject..
    Thanks
    Rengarajan

  • November 20th, 2010 at 5:25 am, Vineet Rai ()

    Dear All

    let us for argument sake assume for a minute Microfinance has failed. So we are left with only one saviour and that is SHG movement.

    Few questions, answers to whom may help all of us and the interested people worldwide

    a) When someone commits suicide he seems to only MFI loans. I am very curious to know how did SHG manage that? I mean how come SHG do not happen to be the lenders to the guy who commit suicide.May be it would be interesting if SERP or APMAS either come up with a list of people who committed suicide who were also SHG borrowers and or with a statement that an SHG borrowers never committed suicide. It would make us feel better.

    b) Is SHG movement keeping a watch on overindebtness? Does SHG stop lending if over indebtedness happens ? What is SHG response to over indebtness and how does it work? How do you measure and know if you have overlent?

    c) How do you make sure in SHG that one person is member of only one SHG. Is their a case of over borrowing in SHG if, so, how many cases and can we have some data on that side.

    I guess some of the answers can enlighten all of us and improve MFI outside AP and a huge learning from SHG movement. I know with huge data in place, and APMAS and other institutions with the right depth of knowledge, we would get some really insightful information

    Thanks for all the help

    vineet

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  • November 20th, 2010 at 2:21 pm, Rajan Alexander ()

    Hi Vineet!

    “When someone commits suicide he seems to only MFI loans. I am very curious to know how did SHG manage that? I mean how come SHG do not happen to be the lenders to the guy who commit suicide”

    For one reason, PE investors of MFIs drive these goons to toughies (collectors) to unleash coercion and muscle power maintain 99% repayment rates so that they can quarterly claim higher EPS, RoA etc. After all, most of the big ten MFIs are eyeing IPOs that could catapulte them to higher wealth rankings than Vikram Akula did through his IPO. The financial ratios of MFIs during the last 3 years does suggest lightening growth rates could not have taken place without pressure of lending, collection and the systems employed to achieving such targets. SHGs have no such pressure. Defaults and deliquency are higher in SHGs and accordingly looked as a confirmation while the converse holds true in the case of MFIs.

    “May be it would be interesting if SERP or APMAS either come up with a list of people who committed suicide who were also SHG borrowers and or with a statement that an SHG borrowers never committed suicide. It would make us feel better.”

    Vineet, why on earth should you expect us to make you feel better? Our intention is to drive up your guilt to such a level with the expectation that it shocks you out of your denial syndrome. To feel better suggests perhaps MFIs are feeling remorse. Maybe we wrong after all to think MFIs are not part of the Homo Sapiens species.

    Of course SHG members commit suicide. As part of society, their suicide rate must reflect those what the larger society demonstrate. What is significant here is whether membership to a SHG institution ups this rate. Prima facie, there exists no evidence to the contrary. But popular perception, media reports and investigative studies does overwhelming suggest that in the case of MFIs it does so.

    You ask the right question. What is the basis of attribution of the source to a suicide when the individual takes several membership including those of MFIs and SHGs. The right way for attribution is identify the trigger for suicide. We come back to the systems – MFIs due to more target orientation are more plausible triggers for suicides.

    Best wishes.

  • November 21st, 2010 at 7:20 am, Srinivasan ()

    Here is a dated study on AP suicides – which might be of interest.

    http://www.countercurrents.org/glo-chandra200604.htm
    By Vidya sagar and Suman Chandra

    Socio-Economic Profile – Findings from the field study

    * The incidence of suicides has been very high during 2001 as many farmers have sustained loss in agriculture owing to erratic monsoon during 2000. Farmers’ suicides in Anantapur district at present indicate that the incidence is again very high during 2002-03 due to severe drought conditions and crop failure.
    * Farmers’ suicides cannot be attributed to any specific social/caste phenomenon.
    * About 95% of the sample cases among suicide victims are males.
    * About 55% of the victims in Anantapur are in the age group of 31-45 years. It is almost similar in the case of sample cases in Karnataka.
    *
    For many young people there are no adequate employment opportunities outside agriculture.
    This compels them to remain in the village and somehow improve their income. Traditional subsistence farming not being more income yielding, there is a tendency among young people to shift for commercial farming and … many of them are caught into the quagmire of mono crop.
    * Our data indicates that there is no correlation between education levels and suicides.
    * The data clearly show that victim farmers were more caught in the debt trap of non-institutional sources of credit compared to control cases.
    * In many cases extreme step of suicide was taken recourse due to heavy pressure and humiliation from the private moneylenders.
    * This is mainly because of the tie up that the farmers, especially the small, marginal and medium level farmers, have with the traders who also act as input suppliers, moneylenders and traders in agricultural commodities.

    Reasons for committing suicides

    Our study reveals that the debt trap is the main cause of certain farmers taking the extreme step of committing suicide. Debt trap is getting tightened up because of the agrarian crisis on the one hand and inaccessibility of institutional credit on the other. No institutions are forthcoming to lend money to farming community for the same purposes for which they lend money to urban middle class. Thus the farmers have to depend on non-institutional credit.

    Alcohol related problem is cited as a high probable cause of farmers’ suicide in Veeresh Committee Report. Crop failure got less value than alcoholism in the probability analysis of the Committee. During the late 1990s, hundreds of farmers committed suicides in Warangal district of Andhra Pradesh. This was associated with heavy loss they suffered in cotton cultivation and the resultant debt trap. There were some interventions and the situation has improved with regard to cotton cultivation for the time being. As the conclusion of Veeresh Committee goes about attributing alcoholism as the main cause for suicides, the cases of suicides would not have stopped in Warangal district as no alcoholism still continue there but not suicides.

    N.Srinivasan

  • November 21st, 2010 at 8:41 am, Bhaumik Shah ()

    Is IFMR Study biased???

    “IFMR study is an industry biased” could be concluded from some of the earlier posts..

    But if this is the case, I would like to remind CMF-IFMR study on Spandana “The miracle of microfinance? Evidence from a randomized evaluation” which found no impact on measures of health, education or women’s decision due to MFI loans.
    http://www.ifmr.ac.in/cmf/research/ieumc/miracle_of_microfinance.pdf

    If IFMR researches are really industry biased, this certainly would not be an outcome from Spandana study. Result of Spandana study certainly opposes many of the arguments made by MFIs on improving education, health etc.

    Having said though, this “specific – access to finance” study might be weak in terms of methodology, sampling etc as said by Mr. C S Reddy. But to say, the study is industry biased is perhaps a shallow logic.

  • November 21st, 2010 at 10:15 am, Sushmita Meka ()

    To Mr. Reddy and Mr. Arunachalam,

    As an author of the report, my responses to your concerns are as follows.

    In response to your first concern regarding the promotion of SHGs, it should have been clarified that Justin was referring to funding through the government’s SHG-Bank Linkage Programme (SBLP) and not solely to formation of groups (which, as you point out correctly, is undertaken primarily by NGOs and not directly by the government). I think you will agree that this funding may be key to understanding the roots of the current crisis. David Roodman has expanded with detail here: http://blogs.cgdev.org/open_book/2010/11/india-dispatch-2.php

    As to your second concern, CMF’s study was conducted between June and October 2009. At this point, based on the State of the Sector report figures on MFI lending, we estimate that 5.5 million loans were outstanding in all of AP. From our research in rural AP, we estimate that 2.2 to 2.5 million of the loans were outstanding in rural AP alone. The disparity may be due, as you point out, to more concentrated lending in urban areas. More research is certainly needed to understand where, specifically, lending and borrowing is concentrated.

    This study was conducted only in rural AP to compare these findings on indebtedness with data from both the All India Debt and Investment Survey (AIDIS) and the Rural Financial Access Survey. The research was conducted with the goal of understanding, objectively, access to all forms of finance. It was conducted not to condemn or promote any specific model, but to bring data to the issue of financial access where it is direly needed. CMF employed rigorous sampling methods to ensure that the sample was representative of rural AP. This sampling methodology is explained in detail in Appendix A of the report, which can be found here: http://www.ifmr.ac.in/cmf/publications/wp/2010/CMF_Access_to_Finance_in_Andhra_Pradesh_2010.pdf As always, CMF conducts its research with objectivity, and as proof of this, we provide access to the data publicly on our website.

    Lastly, we do not mean for these findings to bring an end to debate nor do we hold them to be conclusive. Rather, we hope that this data can be a start to more research into the complex reality of financial access from all sources — formal, informal, AND providers of microfinance — where robust data on microfinance borrowings was not available before.

    Regards,
    Sushmita

  • November 21st, 2010 at 4:56 pm, Rajan Alexander ()

    @ Bhaumik

    “If IFMR researches are really industry biased, this certainly would not be an outcome from Spandana study. Result of Spandana study certainly opposes many of the arguments made by MFIs on improving education, health etc”

    Bhaumik could Spandana be the case of one swallow not making a summer?

  • November 22nd, 2010 at 1:07 am, Oza S. ()

    Dear Mr. Alexander,

    In your post, you claim that the Centre of Micro Finance at IFMR Research produces research in order to serve the interests of MFIs, the implication being that we produced the Access to Finance report with the intent of defending MFIs from claims of aggressive lending. We had no objective – we conducted the survey to understand the state of financial inclusion and financial access in rural Andhra Pradesh. As mentioned on our website, we are an non-profit,non-partisan think tank established with goal of improving financial services for the poor. Our study, conducted in 2009, uses a rigorous sampling methodology to ensure that the results are representative of all rural households in Andhra Pradesh.

    Secondly, you misattribute an article written by a member of the IFMR Trust team (a separate organization) to the Centre for Micro Finance. I emphasize that the blog entry you cite is not taken from any of our research studies (Also, I believe that, contrary to your claim, the blog written by IFMR Trust was never meant to serve as a rigorous evaluation ). All of our studies are available publicly on our website at http://ifmr.ac.in/cmf/. The Centre for Micro Finance is a research organization that has achieved a reputation in the development sector on the basis of its independent, rigorous research in the area of financial services for the poor, not by doctoring research findings or simpling telling people what they want to hear.

  • November 22nd, 2010 at 7:51 am, G. Bhaskara Rao ()

    AP MFI ordinance has initiated much need debate on microfinance in India. It is good that CGAP also started this important discussion. But Justin Oliver’s posting appears to be biased and misinformed. All his assertions are based on one micro study. Surprisingly all the cited findings of that study are quite contrary to the macro data and field realities. This posting, apart from correcting the misinformation of Justin, raises some issues about commercial MFIs’ management and operational practices to be discussed in this forum and also beyond this forum.

    1. According to Justin/ study, 93% of all households have some sort of loan outstanding. But only an estimated 11% of rural Andhra households had a loan outstanding from an MFI. In contrast, 37% of rural households had a loan outstanding from commercial bank, 53% from an SHG, and a staggering 82% had a loan outstanding from an informal source, including friends, moneylenders, landlords, and others. As per Microfinance India: State of the Sector Report 2010; compare 16.02 million total household in the state, the number of MFI clients are 6.24 million. The number of SHG clients is 17.31 million. Microfinance clients (both SHG and MFI) as proportion of is total households is 1.5. State of the Sector Report 2010 also revels that total number of poor households is 2.52 million in the state. Microfinance clients as proportion of poor households are 9.3. Only MFI clients as proportion of poor households, in the state, are 2.48. Further, the report did not cover all MFIs operating the country/ state. As per the AP MFI ordinance, all MFIs have to file the details of lending operations. As per the data filed by MFIs with the Registering Authority, MFIs have 7.37 borrowers (active loans). This information was as on October, 29, 2010. The registration and data filing is not yet complete.
    2. As per NABARD Status of Microfinance 2009 – 10, in AP 1.47 million SHG have total loan outstanding of Rs.117.4 billion, with average loan outstanding of Rs.79,791 per SHG. All these macro data clearly suggest that SHG movement has saturated all households in the state. Further, MFIs have lent to at least 50% households, if not lend multiple loans to small proportion of households. The average loan size in SHGs is quite large in the state compare to the rest of country. According to NABARD Status of Microfinance in India 2009 – 10, the average bank loan size in AP is Rs.118,893 per SHG compare to Rs.75,745 in rest of the country. The average bank loan per SHG member would be around Rs.10,000 in 2009 – 10, which is two and half time more than figure quoted by Justin. The average size of group in AP is around 11.
    3. Even the assertion that 82% of sample has loans from informal sources is also surprising. APMAS, with its large field presence, has been monitoring AP situation quite closely for several years. There is significant decline informal source of credit. Many traditional money lenders have moved away from their vocation. Data quoted by Justin also reveals that only 17.2% sample have loans from money lenders. As multiple memberships in SHGs and MFIs and MFIs is not considered favorably by SHG promoting agencies and MFIs, the sample members might have reported loans from other MFIs/ SHGs as informal loans. Further, equal distribution of bank loans in SHGs is quite common in the state. Inter loans among SHG members is also taking place. Again these might have reported as informal loans.
    4. Justin assertion is that Government can not be an ideal regulator. Yes professional regulating bodies do better job in any industry but within limits. Such a regulation may evolve in due course of time in Microfinance also. In any country, the Government is the ultimate regulator, especially those, which crossed the limits. MFIs have to introspect on the following issues, whether is there any mission drifts, their process and practices are benign, help the borrowers to come out of poverty, lead to empowerment of marginalized, etc.
    5. Justin assertion is that AP Ordinance is a knee-jerk reaction. In 2006 MFI lending/ recovery operations resulted in suicides in Krishn and Guntur districts of the state. The State Government swung into action and locked the local offices of MFIs in Krishn and Guntur district. Then also, at the height of the charged atmosphere, APMAS conducted a quick study and prescribed a number of guidelines to the microfinance institutions (APMAS Krishna Crises Study 2006). APMAS also acted as mediator and hosted some consultations between the Government and MFIs. In those consultations, the Government warned the wrong doers to curtail interest rates, to avoid coercive practices and to have borrower friendly policies. MFIs promised, in writing to the then Chief Secretary of GoAP, that they would hence forth shed away all forceful recovery mechanisms, limit the interest rates to 16 % , have self introspection, code of conduct, collective supervision and such and such. But, MFIs could not hold their wards. The interest rates remained high despite significant decline in operational costs (see State of Sector Report 2009) and increasing scale of operations. MFIs unleashed more dreadful and fatal approaches in their lending and recovery operations causing agony and trauma to hapless customers. The Government can not remain a mute spectator to exploitation of the poor and vulnerable sections and atrocities on them.
    6. Justin assertion is that MFIs are not targeting MFIs. As per the study results, he quoted, that only 6% of sample have common membership in SHGs and MFIs. As discussed above SHGs movement has covered all households in the state. Further, MFIs clients are equal to about half of total households in the state. If MFI, mission is to ‘reach the un-reached’, then why MFIs are focusing on AP, where financial inclusion is near 100% and people are getting much more loans and amount through SHGs compare to their counterparts in other states. As per NABARD data, SHGs in AP got 45% of total bank credit made available to SHGs in 2008 – 09. SHGs in AP are able to maintain their momentum in SHG banking, even at higher level. AP SHGs’ share in total bank credit increased to 46% in 2009 – 10. The average loan size is quite high compare to other states.
    7. As per the State of Sector Report 2010, in SHG banking, the Microfinance Penetration Index (MPI) in AP is 3.64 and the Microfinance Penetration among Poor Index (MPPI) is 6.35. Except in South, both these indices are less than one in all other regions. The MPI is as low as 0.03 in Jammu and Kashmir, 0.07 in Punjab, 0.20 in Bihar, 0.23 in Haryana, and 0.26 in Gujrat. The MPPI is 0.13 in Jammu and Kashmir, 0.14 in Bihar, 0.22 in Punjab, 0.27 in Madhya Pradesh, and 0.32 in Uttar Pradesh. Had the MFIs, committed for their noble mission of ‘reaching of un-reached’ they should have focused on the states/ regions, where MPI and MPPI are substantially low. But AP remained major focus state for MFIs. About one-third of total MFI business, in the country, is confined to AP. As per SKS’s press releases, during its public issue, its lending rate in AP is 6% points less than that of, in other states. It clearly indicates the concentration of MFIs and competition among MFIs and with of SHG – banking in the state. Perhaps the possible reason for concentration of MFIs, in the state, could be that SHG members must be too tempting to ignore. SHG members are flushed with funds due to thriving SHG – banking and generous government support. They have about Rs.110 to 120 billion bank loan funds, Rs.15 to 20 billion corpus funds and Rs.25 to 30 billion savings and surpluses. The state has some experience of this kind. In UNDP’s South Asian Poverty Alleviation Program (SAPAP), SHG institutions were provided corpus funds to sustain their institutions/ operations after closer of the SAPAP. In some of the areas, MFIs grabbed the corpus funds through their unsustainable loans and livelihood programs. Needless to say that some of those loans and livelihood programs were linked to the available corpus.
    8. Field evidences from different parts of state suggest that MFIs have been enticing SHG members with non-transparent process and practices. Just in November 2010, two interns from Institute of Rural Management, Anand (IRMA) have surveyed about 100 MFI clients in Chittoor district in the state. According to that survey almost all sample members are ignorant of their ‘contracted interest rate’; leave alone the ‘effective interest rate’. In an interview at the Microfinance India Summit 2010 (issue3), Mr. Chuck Waterfield, Founder of MF Transparency, commented on MFI practiced in India, which are equally applicable to AP. He said that there are some practices that we have seen in other countries that the Indian microfinance industry could benefit from. For example, in Cambodia charging flat interest rates is prohibited, in favor of the more transparent declining balance method. Standardizing interest rate disclosure practices would also benefit the Indian microfinance market, for example if MFIs were required to tell clients the APRs, or effective interest rates, of their loans. We found many cases where insurance and cash deposit requirements were communicated to clients in very complicated ways, making it difficult to recognize them as fees.
    9. Microfinance, by definition, is a group based lending. Are MFIs lending to groups or individuals? Are MFIs investing adequate resources and time in developing groups and using the so developed social capital in their operations? There are MFIs like SKDRDP , which won the MFI of the Year (Large) at the Microfinance India Summit 2010, investing sufficient resource and time on SHG/ people’s institutions and using them appropriately in its lending and recovery operations.
    10. MFIs are lending at 30% to 40% of ‘effective’, if not, ‘contracted’ interest rate. Further they claim that they are predominantly providing livelihood finance. In which economic activities, members can get sufficient margin to pay 30% to 40% interest on their financial investments and to get reasonable margins on their labor and other assets (say land or livestock). Invariable it result in less remuneration to the borrowers’ labor and other assets, if at all the credit was used in any income generating activity (IGA). If MFIs were interested to help their client to move out of poverty, they should lend at much less rate than their current lending rates. One of the possible ways is to help the clients to access many government subsidies, grants, and similar benefits along with their loans. Experience of SKDRDP provides many useful insights. Another way is to develop networks of people’s institutions (say SHGs/ JLG/ federations) and use them appropriately instead of total dependence on own staff.
    11. People normally borrow at 30% to 40% and above rates to meet their emergencies including starvation times. They can not repay such loans with their normal income/ cash flows, especially from day one. They can repay such loans at their convenience. Money lenders give such convenience, but MFIs do not have such flexibility. The fact that survival of ‘Money Lender’ institution over centuries indicate that people do repay their loans, even if strict weekly repayment schedules were not place. Default in one/ few weeks, because of genuine difficulties should not be treated as a grave problem. Development and involvement of appropriate people’s institutions in these processes will resolve most of these problems.
    12. Governance and management is another critical problem in MFIs. Most of the MFIs got donor funding for their social mission. Professor Sriram (commercialization-microfinance) described how donor funds were converted into personal wealth by a few individuals in some of MFIs. One of the APMAS research teams also come across such practice in the field. In one of mutual benefit trusts (MBT), SHGs own over 90% of share capital, but the MBT is practically owned and totally managed by the apex NBFC through appointment of its staff as the Executive Chairman of MBT. Though the grants of SHGs were converted into share capital in MBT, SHGs, though well informed and articulated, do not feel their ownership stakes, do not know their rights and responsibilities and not effectively involved in decision making processes. Recent developments, i.e. firing of CEO due to interpersonal differences (SKS explanation), in SKS, which has share holding by the public, show how lopsided is the governance and management in most of MFIs.

    G. Bhaskara Rao
    APMAS

  • November 23rd, 2010 at 12:23 pm, Srinivasan ()

    Dear all,
    This discussion needs to provide more light than sound. Allegations of bias against those who post views contrary to our beliefs is not the best way to exchange ideas.
    The credit penetration is high in AP, not just because of MFI lending, but significantly due to SHG loans (please see the table in SOS). The ignorance of people about loan terms is across the board – not only to MFIs but also other loans.
    The effective cost of credit under SHG loans could also be high when waiting periods, compulsory deposit of savings with banks and some of the other rents are are taken in to account – may be we need a good study on this. When I say this let me clarify that no bank, government or MFI pays me for writing this – so do not rush back with accusations of bias.
    MFIs certainly have to take a lot of blame – not for multiple loans – but for lending excessively to households without appraising their ability to service the loans. When coupled with coercive recovery measures, the excess debt is a major cause of stress.
    We should be cautious about linking suicides with MFIs. Let us remember that some states in the country have high suicide rates and AP is one of them. Before Microfinance models came in to existence in AP more than 2000 rural farmers per year have been committing suicide. If we know what caused the suicides in the last 15 years, then we might have an idea of what is happening in the current year. We should ponder over the cause.
    If low cost loans and the bundled livelihood support from IRDP, SGSY, IKP and the like over the last 25 years had really reached the poor, there should have been no space for high cost options such as MFIs which we battle today. If the government and banks can make a success of access to finance to the poor, we do not require ordinances or high cost MFIs.

    Let me add that I learnt quite a lot from the CMF survey. It explains small borrower/saver behaviour in AP. But it is a limited survey coming from a sample of about 2000. It was carried out a few months back when there was no problem with the sector in AP . It cannot provide answers for the current problems. With the kind of inter and intra-district variations within AP, its results are not ideal for extrapolation over the entire state.
    Srinivasan
    Independent consultant

  • November 24th, 2010 at 2:20 am, Prabhu Ghate ()

    Enjoyed the piece. Jist had two questions.

    Footnote 33 says “in case the household was a member of an SHG which was created and lent to by and MFI we have classified the loan as an SHG loan”. Since nearly everyone in rural AP is an SHG member, nearly everyone in an MFI group (call it a JLG or an SHG) would belong to an SHG under the government supported IKP programme. Could this have moved a lot of loans from an MFI to an SHG loan?

    Second, were loans that were part of interlending within groups out of the groups savings and corpus counted under SHG loans?

    Thanks, Prabhu Ghate

  • November 24th, 2010 at 6:48 am, Ramesh S Arunachalam ()

    Dear Mr Srinivasan

    Thanks and we are well within our right to ask about the details of the study and also ask for an independent objective study, without any conflict of interest. In fact, in my first post on this blog, I had asked for several details regarding this study and much of the questions have not been answered till date

    There is a reason for my asking this. An e mail was sent from CMF related quarters that this is a NABARD-CMF study (I have reproduced below the e mail recd from Dr Nachiket Mor, where the subject says NABARD – CMF study). BIRD supported the study but I am not sure that this makes it a NABARD study and that is why I asked what is NABARD involvement and I have not had a reply to date. I am sure you will understand this better…

    That has been the problem withIndian micro-finance – we somehow want to get across our ideas using names and I want to be sure that this is not the case here as this is indeed an important study…because a NABARD study, all said and done, carries its own weight…I am sure that you will understand…

    Thanks

    Warm Regards

    Ramesh

    PS: I reproduce the e mail below and please see the subject line and I did ask Nachiket straight away and he directed me to the CGAP link and also that he is no longer seriously involved with financial services and that is why I asked the same questions here and have not recd a reply as on date. Please see my first post here above!

    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    From: Nachiket Mor
    Date: Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 10:24 AM
    Subject: Some New Data from AP from a NABARD-CMF Study
    To: Nachiket Mor

    http://microfinance.cgap.org/2010/11/11/who%e2%80%99s-the-culprit-accessing-finance-in-andhra-pradesh/

    There is an extremely urgent need for the Central Government and the
    RBI to step in with a public position on this issue if the MFI
    industry is to survive this shock – I fear that they may already have
    waited for too long. The industry now serves 20 million very poor
    people. It is now melting in the front of our very eyes because
    somebody in the State Government feels, for example, that weekly
    repayment schedules are not acceptable to them. There is clearly room
    for significant improvements in the industry but as the new data
    shows, this kind of unilateral and arbitrary regulatory action is
    simply going to hurt those that can least afford it. Improvements
    have to happen through multiple sets of much more carefully
    orchestrated and nuanced interventions in a gradual manner. This is a
    fully regulated industry and all the large players are audited
    regularly by the RBI itself because of their systemic importance and
    have been for a number of years now. Krishna District that happened
    in AP a few years ago almost shut the industry down — this is now an
    entire State and failure here could be a much larger shock than even
    the larger ones can absorb leave alone the smaller ones.

    Nachiket Mor, Ph.D.

    Chairman, Sughavazhvu Healthcare, Thanjavur

    Website: http://www.sughavazhvu.co.in; http://www.ictph.org.in

    Email: nachiket@nachiketmor.net

    Primary Health: http://ictph.org.in/blog/?cat=28

  • November 24th, 2010 at 7:01 am, G. Bhaskara Rao ()

    I do agree with Srinivasan’s comment that we should not use allegations like bias in the discussion. My apologies to Justin. I totally agree with Srinivasan’s observation that “if low cost loans and the bundled livelihood support from IRDP, SGSY, IKP and the like over the last 25 years had really reached the poor, there should have been no space for high cost options such as MFIs which we battle today. If the government and banks can make a success of access to finance to the poor, we do not require ordinances or high cost MFIs”. When the Ordinance was issued, my comment was that “the Government should work on competition, rather than on command and controls” and posted on
    http://indiamicrofinance.com/microfinance-ordinance-ap-comments-apmas-37923401.html in the first week of November, 2010.

    But there were some alignment/ formatting problems in the posting. Any one interested in orginal document may contact me.

    G. Bhaskara Rao
    APMAS

  • November 24th, 2010 at 8:16 am, G. Bhaskara Rao ()

    I am tempted to answer Vineet Rai’s interesting and fundamental questions. The main question is “when someone commits suicide he seems to only MFI loans. I am very curious to know how did SHG manage that”? Other questions are very much related to this.

    There are two possible answers. The first answer is that in most part of the country SHGs are grossly under financed. Bank finance to SHGs is much below the members’ needs and absorption capacity. We, at APMAS and our network organizations, are working on this issue constantly. SGSY had a severe adverse effect on normal SHG – banking in most of the states. We have prepared a review paper and got involved in the formulation National Rural Livelihood Mission, to minimize any adverse effect of Government Programs on SHG – Banking. You may see the review paper at http://indiamicrofinance.com/sgsy-national-rural-livelihood-mission-9283028301ry.html. Our comments on AP – MFI Ordinance are also aimed at strengthening of SHG – banking and competition to MFIs. You may see our comments at http://indiamicrofinance.com/microfinance-ordinance-ap-comments-apmas-37923401.html.

    Second possible answer is that SHG members have very strong mutual and institutional support to tie over crises and peer review mechanism to prevent any crises. MFIs practically lend to individuals. In SHG banking, banks lend to Groups and Groups in turn lend to their members. Banks do not know which individual members borrowed what amount from their loans. Groups have better information about each member’s needs and loan absorption capacity and take informed decisions. While repaying the bank loan, members have the following protections:
    1. If any member is not in a position to repay an installment, other members normally contribute additional amounts to repay the bank installment. In contrast in MFIs, there is only peer pressure.
    2. We have seen in many SHGs complete write off loan of a member in serious difficulty. Sometimes, even SHGs in the neighborhood come forward to help the member in serious difficulty. Such institutional support is missing in MFIs.
    3. A member in difficulty has other options like borrowing from group funds and/ or from federations to repay the bank loan.
    4. Banks also do not insist on strict repayment of ‘equal installment’ every moth. Banks accept prepayments and delayed payments. Lack of this flexibility in MFIs is one major issue.
    5. In SHG bank linkage, the interest rates are low and any delay in repayment does not result in an enormous burden on the borrower.

    I feel, if MFIs start lending to SHGs instead of individuals, it will be a win-win situation for all. For that MFIs have to invest on SHG institution building. But it will pay off. The experience of SKDRDP could be very useful.

    Regards

    G. Bhaskara Rao

  • November 24th, 2010 at 10:30 am, V.Rengarajan ()

    Baskara rao
    Refer item no 9 where you have quoted “microfinance by definition is group based lending” It is not necessarily . Both group and individual as well are accommodated in micro finance system. In India group based lending takes lion’s share. This indicates method of lending to the ultimate borrowers
    Further, by definition, MF is a package of financial services including micro savings, micro credit, micro insurance, transfer services etc with the focus on poverty reduction. Literally by definition, there is no Micro financial Institution in India providing all MF services referred to above.Mere money lending either through group or to individual may not represent MF in totality .Conceptually the existing micro lender is better called as Micro credit institution rather than Micro financial institution.

  • November 24th, 2010 at 12:04 pm, Sushmita Meka ()

    @ Mr. Ghate,

    Although it is true that the majority of rural households were members of SHGs, we would have only classified MFI loans as SHG loans if the MFIs were lending directly through the SHG group and NOT through a separate JLG formed by the MFI. The latter case is normal practice.

    And yes, we classified any loans from SHGs as loans, regardless of whether they were from internal group savings or external loans. Similarly, we recorded any loans from MFIs, regardless of whether they were a main loan or an emergency or “top up” loan.

    @ Mr. Arunachalam

    Justin Oliver has replied to your query about funding of the study above. It was funded by the Banker’s Institute for Rural Development (BIRD) of NABARD. BIRD only provided funding; the methodology and scope of research were designed independently by CMF as well as survey implementation. Please do read the actual report as well, which clearly outlines the objectives of the study as well as a detailed description of the methodology used.

    http://www.ifmr.ac.in/cmf/publications/wp/2010/CMF_Access_to_Finance_in_Andhra_Pradesh_2010.pdf

    The following CMF blog post elaborates on the methodology as well: http://www.indiadevelopmentblog.com/2010/11/access-to-finance-in-andhra-pradesh.html

    @ Mr. Srinivasan and all

    Please also see our sampling methodology which was designed to be representative of rural AP including high- moderate- and low-penetration districts. It is true that the average level of household borrowing that we see will be much more conservative than rates in specific high-penetration districts, such as Krishna or Guntur, but the survey did include high-penetration districts in order to provide a representative understanding of financial access for rural AP as a whole.

    Although the survey was conducted before the crisis, we still feel that the data can inform our understanding of the current crisis. The tensions and concerns regarding microfinance have been brewing for some time in AP (hence the AP crisis of 2006), and this data can help us to understand rural household indebtedness comprehensively.

    As you rightly point out, there are problems with both the SHG and MFI models. The underlying question that we should be asking in AP is why indebted households are driven to suicide in the first place. This question is much more complex than simply placing blame on microfinance institutions alone. Rather, debt-induced suicide has long been a problem in AP. Blame that has traditionally been placed on moneylenders has now shifted to MFIs without recognizing that the origin of the problem remains the same: inadequate access to flexible, affordable finance that can help households deal with unpredictable income shocks. Although microfinance is one channel to affordable finance (if implemented properly), savings and insurance are necessary components as well.

    CMF’s study found that an overwhelming 70% of rural households had at least two informal loans. More telling, for landless labourer households, the median outstanding loan amounts from informal loans were five times that of debt from either SHGs or MFIs (see Appendix F). As Justin points out in his post, our data suggests that such multiple borrowing is driven by credit need. These are the types of issues that should be at the forefront of everyone’s minds as we try address the current situation. To write off private microfinance entirely without doing so ignores the very complex credit and finance needs of the poor.

  • November 25th, 2010 at 12:46 am, G. Bhaskara Rao ()

    In continuation of my response to Mr. Srinivan observations

    Yes banks, government and others failed to reach the poor. The moot question is, should we take advantage of the situation? Or should we help the poor? The evidence clearly suggests that MFIs are taking full advantage of their monopolistic position. You said in the State of Sector Report 2009, that interest rates remained high, despite decline of operational costs. You described, in Prologue of the State of Sector Report 2008, how insensitive are the MFI operations to the clients needs.

    Personally I appreciate MFIs’ contribution in terms of their outreach. My plea to MFIs is – “more innovations to reduce interest rates and clients’ distress”.

    Thank you

    G. Bhaskara Rao

  • November 25th, 2010 at 1:55 am, Ramesh S Arunachalam ()

    Dear Sushmita Meka

    Many thanks and I acknowledge your comments and I really, really appreciate the time and effort taken by you to answer some of our doubts

    I think your study is a very important one and that is why you have more people raising questions…

    Thanks for the full report and I have downloaded it. Will revert back, if I have any queries.

    Thanks again

    Warm Regards

    Ramesh

  • November 25th, 2010 at 9:45 pm, V.Rengarajan ()

    Dear Sushmita Meka
    I would like to share some of my observations on your posting
    While tracing the origin of the problem, the factors such as ‘inadequate access to flexible and affordable finance’ as quoted, for facilitating the household to deal with unpredictable income shocks , pertain to only supply side and cover partially the issue. Where as looking from demand side the factors such as access to forward ( input related) and backward(output related) linkages, physical infrastructure , idiosyncratic and covariant risk do influence more the intensity of the problem. . For this neither the bank nor the MCI (Micro credit institutions) is responsible. However meticulous micro credit planning based on the potential for enhancing the productivity and absorption resulting income generation in the given area may go long way in minimizing the problem.(None of MFIs do this) Here just because of the ‘financial needs’ pseudo or real, supply of credit without potential for income generation, should be discouraged as it some times may enhance only the debt level of the poor leading to all the problems being witnessed now.. Here a moot question “ Is there any real ‘financial needs’ in the context of ‘average number of loan computed at macro level is about 10 per HH ( Srinivasan’s response to Normand in the posting ‘Crisis by invitation’ ) ” There is a saying in the text book ‘Indian Farmers are born in debt, live in debt, die in debt, bequeaths debt” Another French proverb “ Credit supports the poor as hangman’s rope support the hanged”
    Further ‘credit needs’ in the poverty sector need to be perceived and assessed with caution. Besides the genuine credit needs, to gain sustainable poverty reduction,other micro financial services need include micro savings , micro insurance, transfer services ( migrant poor) as Justine also justified in agreeing with me in his response to my posting in this regard . Given the reality in poverty sector, our focus need to evaluate the limitations in the existing MFI system( so long they are called MFI) with the delivery of piece meal MF services confining to micro credit ‘with one size formula product’( inadequate for poverty reduction) and innovate an ideal Micro financial institution (MFI) for delivering the multiple micro financial services supported with other non financial needs of the poor in the given regulatory and market environ, for making a candid dent sustainably in Indian poverty canvas.
    IFMR is a well reputed institute bringing out many good research study outputs in general financial/capital market matters. . However quality Research and Management in Microfinance in particular demands more a multi disciplinary demand side perspectives ( the end ) at house hold level rather confining to supply side mechanism( the means) at institutional level. Trust the above observations may be useful to other academic/research institutions specializing Micro finance.
    Regards
    Rengarajan

  • November 27th, 2010 at 6:30 am, G. Bhaskara Rao ()

    Dear Mr. Arunachalam.

    I read the case study cited by you completely. You have raised far too many questions. The substance of all those questions is to limit the lending amount, which should be linked to the repayment capacity of the clients.

    Assessing the poor people’s repayment capacity appears to me, akin to valuing the life. I will like to quote the two positions of two former AP Chief Ministers – Mr. Chandra Babu Naidu and Mr. Rajashekar Reddy about farmers’ suicides. In response to Mr. Chandra Babu Naidu’s stand that payment of Ex-gratia may lead to more farmers’ suicides, Mr. Y. S. Rajashekar Reddy said that he is ready to give most generous Ex-gratia, if Mr. Chandra Babu commits suicide.

    I will also like to describe about a movie theme here. Some time back I saw a Telugu Movie – ‘Ammulu’. In that movie an auto rickshaw driver adopts a beautiful 5 – 6 years old girl. One day, they found that the girl’s two kidneys are damaged and needs urgent transplantation. The auto rickshaw driver is willing to donate one of his kidneys. The operation cost would be about half a million rupee. The auto driver runs from pillar to post to get the loan. Banks said that they need lengthy documentation and assessment. He further said that even after the process, he can give the loan amount based on his repaying capacity, which might be about one-tenth of the requirement. … In the end the auto driver found a rich person, who needs kidney transplantation, is willing to pay any amount to a kidney donor and has an agreement with him to donate one of his kidneys for ‘required amount’. … The auto driver kills himself with the plea to take his both kidneys and donated one to the rich man and one to the girl.

    In the case study, I am impressed by the financial access, the poor has. In the absence such credit access, the family might have succumbed to starvation and other problems. I think every poor person in the country should have such level of credit access, either we provide through banks, cooperatives, MFIs, or any other mode. Even with, so impressive growth, MFIs are able to meet just a fraction of credit needs of the poor and all those financially excluded sections. Once again, my plea to MFIs is:

    1. Transparency in their operations, especially about rate of interest and other conditions
    2. Moderation in interest rates, which should be align to general productivity or return on capital
    3. Flexibility in repayment. How a person repay, his/ her loan in regular installments with uncertain income? This may force them to take another loan just to service their loans.

    Thank you

  • November 28th, 2010 at 4:23 am, Bhaumik Shah ()

    Dear Mr. Bhaskara Rao

    I’d like to share some of my concerns on your given last 3 points.

    1) Transparency in their operations, especially about rate of interest and other conditions

    - What I believe is poor cannot understand the complex procedure of calculating interest rate. This is one of the reason MFIs have adopted flat rate system which tells one has to pay Rs. x for x number of weeks, which is easy to understood and based on this info client value the credit. Telling interest rate in % term (doesn’t matter how transparent that is) would not serve any purpose.

    2) Moderation in interest rates, which should be align to general productivity or return on capital

    - Which rate is “Moderate”?? One cannot attract professionals to work for (which is the need of hour) without paying competitive remuneration. With high cost of fund, higher transaction cost and greater risk, the interest rate tends to be high. What is the definition of “Moderate” in statistical term?

    3) Flexibility in repayment

    - Theoretically flexible repayment is the ideal repayment mechanism. But ultimately this would dilute “standardization” and result into higher transaction cost, and hence ultimately the higher interest rate.

    Sir, I’m neither much experienced in MFI sector nor I’m advocating it, these are the general concerns aroused from my small career span of working with MFIs / NGOs / Nonprofit sector.

    Regards
    Bhaumik

  • December 3rd, 2010 at 6:15 am, G. Bhaskara Rao ()

    Dear Mr. Bhoumik,

    Thanks for raising very important issues. Every MFI gives the same reasons in deference of their functioning/ practices. I am also aware of the concerns raised by you. I dealt these concerns in a subtle form in my previous postings. My point is that MFIs are wielding their monopoly powers instead of working on to overcome their inefficiencies, through innovations. If MFIs were on social mission, they should explore all possibilities to reduce their cost of operations and reduce the burden on their less informed and hapless clients.

    1. You cited the higher staff salaries; high borrowing cost, etc for higher rate of interest, they charge. My question is do they really need the kind of staff they have? Is weekly transactions at the door step of the clients the only option, they have? I have seen some MFIs practicing monthly transactions at MFI offices. I have also seen that some MFIs have been using SHG federations for loan appraisal and collection of problems debts. Some also helping the SHGs to mobilize their own saving and use the same judiciously for internal lending. Some are also mobilizing their members’ savings, of course as cooperatives, and using the same for lending. These practices have resulted in some reduction in the cost of operations in each of concerned MFIs and their lending rates. These are just illustrations. Many more innovations could be thought off. As I mentioned in my one of the postings, as per State of Sector Report 2009, that the lending rates of some of big MFIs remain high, despite significant reduction in their operational costs.
    2. You mentioned that people do not understand the rate of interest. I have worked in villages for more than 20 years. If you ask any person what is interest rate she/ he pays on his/ her informal borrowing, she/ he invariably say the rate of interest correctly. If you ask any client of MFI, she/ he may not able say the contracted interest rate, forget about effective interest rate.
    3. Definition of moderate interest rate –The interest rate should align to the return on the investment. Otherwise MFI borrowing would deprive the returns of clients’ own labor and other assets. Normally the MFI clients, who run a micro-enterprise say ‘shop a in a village’ could get 10 to 12%. How can they pay 30 to 40% interest on the borrowed capital without loosing on their own labor and own capital/ assets? Since there is weekly repayments from day one, the clients do not have chance to rotate the funds and get more yearly return on their investments. One possibility is that MFIs could help their clients to access government subsidies and beneficiary scheme along with their micro loans. We can see such practices by many companies and NGOs in areas like renewable energy, drip irrigation, water and sanitation. Even in microfinance, SKDRDA is linking with GoI’s SGSY program to its micro loans.
    4. One kind of flexibility should be that loan period should be aligned to loan amount and purpose. Other flexibility could be intra-group support. If MFIs lend to groups instead of individuals and held groups responsible to repayment as the case in SHG – banking, pressure on individuals would be much less.

    All the above points are just illustration. I can provide much more evince and insights on these lines.

    Dear Mr. Rengarajan,

    You are right that by definition, microfinance could be lent to individuals also. My point is that though MFIs are lending to JLGs, MFIs have very high direct one to one contact with individual clients, which results in higher operation cost and higher pressure on individuals. Aloysius Fernandez often says that ‘JLGs’ are neither joint, nor liable and not at all groups.

    As in case of SHG – banking, group transact on behalf of the individual members. It reduces cost of operation and provide cushion to individual members, who are in difficulty.

    Best

    G. Bhaskara Rao

  • December 3rd, 2010 at 8:38 am, Bhaumik Shah ()

    Dear Mr. Bhaskara Rao

    Many thanks for your reply. Mr.C.S.Reddy’s recent post is also much informative on SHG vs. MFI. I guess the battle will keep going, SHGs need scalable and sustainable business model while JLGs (MFIs) need social bent. Wish we could collaborate both.

    With regards
    Bhaumik

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    Mr.Oliver,

    I have been looking for the stats in microfinance industry and i want to thank u for providing them. You haven’t compared the interest rates charged by the informal sources and MFIs. MFIs came under severe censure from AP government for the exorbitant Interest rates being charged. What if these informal sources are charging lower interest rates than MFIs? People would be baised to taking loans from these sources than taking from MFIs as they want to avoid the paper work and Weekly meetings. As your findings clearly show the MFIs are not serving the purpose People thought they would be. Professor Yunus in his book “Banker to the Poor” stated that Microfinance purpose is to provide loans and make poor people self sufficient. Is this idea still prevailing? I don’t think so. As your findings clearly show that only a small percentage of people are taking loans to start a business. I think its time to change the model and include other products such as insurance, taking deposits etc.,

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